Ishihara's Senkaku Complex - Troll Harder

[Gaspard de Coligny]

We also need this map again I think:

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(Senkakuz are north of taiwan)

They basically go "all iz MINE"

[Taro]

Although you Frenchies may claim* them, obviously I am the True Heir of the Kingdom of Humanity, Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads*.

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Our Motto: "The extirpation of hypocrisy from the surface of the earth must be done; east is west and west is east and this state wishes to render to the elder the great and good peace of love of the state of Morac-Songhreti-Meads."

We also need this map again I think:

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(Senkakuz are north of taiwan)

They basically go "all iz MINE"

[chokonen888]

We also need this map again I think:

14-china-disputed-claims.jpg

(Senkakuz are north of taiwan)

They basically go "all iz MINE"

Everytime I see that map:

...BUT as I keep saying, claims are worthless unless you station military/civilians on these islands.

[Hanzo the Razor]

Japan may send troops to disputed islands

Japan's defence minister on Friday warned Tokyo could send troops to a chain of East China Sea islands at the centre of a territorial row with China if the simmering dispute escalated.

Satoshi Morimoto said Tokyo's position had not changed, but confirmed that it would use force to defend the islands known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

"Senkaku or not, defence of islands is principally conducted by the coastguard and police," Morimoto told reporters in Tokyo.

"However, the law stipulates that Self-Defense Forces troops can act" if local authorities are unable to handle the situation.

His comments came a day after Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told parliament he would take "stern actions" against any "illegal actions" on Japanese territory.

"If illegal actions are made by neighbouring countries in our territorial soil and waters, including Senkaku, we will take stern actions including using of Self-Defense Force troops, if necessary," Noda said Thursday.

[midwinter]

Japan may send troops to disputed islands

Japan's defence minister on Friday warned Tokyo could send troops to a chain of East China Sea islands at the centre of a territorial row with China if the simmering dispute escalated.

Satoshi Morimoto said Tokyo's position had not changed, but confirmed that it would use force to defend the islands known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

"Senkaku or not, defence of islands is principally conducted by the coastguard and police," Morimoto told reporters in Tokyo.

"However, the law stipulates that Self-Defense Forces troops can act" if local authorities are unable to handle the situation.

His comments came a day after Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told parliament he would take "stern actions" against any "illegal actions" on Japanese territory.

"If illegal actions are made by neighbouring countries in our territorial soil and waters, including Senkaku, we will take stern actions including using of Self-Defense Force troops, if necessary," Noda said Thursday.

Zombie Michael says, on with the show!

[Russell]

Ad in Wall Street Journal seeks U.S. support for Senkaku purchase plan

The Tokyo Metropolitan Government ran an ad in Friday's Wall Street Journal asking for U.S. support over its plan to buy four of the Senkaku Islands from their private owners.

Covering two-thirds of a page and titled "To the American People from Tokyo, Japan," the ad said, "It is with the hope of gaining the understanding and support of the American people for our purchase of the Senkaku Islands that we are running this issue advocacy ad today."

Claiming that China is ramping up pressure over the territorial dispute, the ad warned that "failure to support the Asian nations confronting China would result in the United States losing the entire Pacific Ocean."

Tensions have risen recently, with Chinese vessels repeatedly spotted in the islets' surrounding waters.

The ad said that the Senkakus are "historically Japanese territory" and located in Okinawa Prefecture, "which is of indispensable geostrategic importance to U.S. force projection."

Gov. Shintaro Ishihara announced Tokyo's plan to purchase the uninhabited but potentially resource-rich isles in April.

China claims that the islets, which it refers to as the Diaoyu, have been part of its territory since ancient times, but Japan maintains they are an integral part of Japanese territory and that there is no territorial dispute between the two countries.

[IparryU]

Japan may send troops to disputed islands

Japan's defence minister on Friday warned Tokyo could send troops to a chain of East China Sea islands at the centre of a territorial row with China if the simmering dispute escalated.

Satoshi Morimoto said Tokyo's position had not changed, but confirmed that it would use force to defend the islands known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

"Senkaku or not, defence of islands is principally conducted by the coastguard and police," Morimoto told reporters in Tokyo.

"However, the law stipulates that Self-Defense Forces troops can act" if local authorities are unable to handle the situation.

His comments came a day after Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told parliament he would take "stern actions" against any "illegal actions" on Japanese territory.

"If illegal actions are made by neighbouring countries in our territorial soil and waters, including Senkaku, we will take stern actions including using of Self-Defense Force troops, if necessary," Noda said Thursday.

Zombie Michael says, on with the show!

ya... smart... like marching off a cliff.

JSDF would be a warm up before us Yanks come in... wouldn't be surprised if the Kangaroos hop in the bath tub either.

[chokonen888]

Japan may send troops to disputed islands

Japan's defence minister on Friday warned Tokyo could send troops to a chain of East China Sea islands at the centre of a territorial row with China if the simmering dispute escalated.

Satoshi Morimoto said Tokyo's position had not changed, but confirmed that it would use force to defend the islands known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

"Senkaku or not, defence of islands is principally conducted by the coastguard and police," Morimoto told reporters in Tokyo.

"However, the law stipulates that Self-Defense Forces troops can act" if local authorities are unable to handle the situation.

His comments came a day after Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told parliament he would take "stern actions" against any "illegal actions" on Japanese territory.

"If illegal actions are made by neighbouring countries in our territorial soil and waters, including Senkaku, we will take stern actions including using of Self-Defense Force troops, if necessary," Noda said Thursday.

Zombie Michael says, on with the show!

Send in the J-Troops!

[Taro]

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Via twitter...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Saw a story somewhere today (Sankei?) where a JOC representative said Japan needs Ishihara to shut up if it wants to get the Olympics!

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Saw a story somewhere today (Sankei?) where a JOC representative said Japan needs Ishihara to shut up if it wants to get the Olympics!

Captain obvious works at the JOC ? surprising...

[Taro]

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[Russell]

Japan arrests 5 activists after they swim to disputed isle

Japanese police on Wednesday arrested five men who landed on an island at the centre of a territorial dispute with China, in an episode threatening to further destabilize already fractious relations.

The activists were part of a group who had sailed from Hong Kong, proclaiming their intention to plant a Chinese flag on an archipelago they know as Diaoyu but which Japan calls Senkaku.

“The Okinawa prefectural police arrested five men for violation of the immigration control law on Uotsurijima,” a police spokesman told AFP, referring to one of the islands in the archipelago.

Seven people jumped into the water from their boat, which had been surrounded by at a number of coast guard vessels, and reached the rocky shore at about 5:30 p.m., local police and coastguard officials said.

Two of the activists then returned to their boat, they said.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told reporters Japan would “deal with the incident strictly in line with the law.”

The foreign ministry said it had summoned the Chinese ambassador to Tokyo to register its displeasure at the landing.

Kyodo news agency reported the five will be transferred to Okinawa.

The activists, who belong to the Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands, had said the move was aimed at countering a plan by a group of Japanese lawmakers to visit the disputed islands this weekend.

“We’re very happy, we have tried many times and we declare this trip a big success,” Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands spokesman Chan Yu-lam told reporters in Hong Kong.

“They (the Japanese) are like thieves, they take away the Diaoyu islands from us and they tried to stop us. They’re like a thief shouting ‘stop thief,’” he said, using a Chinese proverb.

The landing coincided with the 67th anniversary of Japan’s surrender at the end of World War II. Tokyo is embroiled in an increasingly bitter spat with South Korea over another archipelago.

The activists made it to the island despite the Japan Coast Guard’s heightened security, which included firing a water cannon at their boat, said the protest group’s leader.

Twelve Japanese ships had been following the fishing boat and a helicopter was hovering around, the leader said. The coast guard declined to confirm the details for “operational reasons.”

Pro-China groups have made repeated attempts to reach the islands, but apart from one successful foray in 1996 and one in 2004, they have been blocked by Japanese patrol vessels.

Hong Kong leader Leung Chun-ying said he will “closely” monitor the incident and that the city’s immigration officials will be in Japan to provide assistance to the activists.

“Japan must ensure the personal safety of the activists, especially the Hong Kong residents,” he told reporters.

“Our stance on the territorial dispute is clear—the Diaoyu islands belong to China all this while,” he added.

The uninhabited outcrops were the scene of a particularly nasty confrontation in late 2010 when Japan arrested a Chinese trawlerman who had rammed two of coast guard vessels.

Tensions spiked in April after controversial Tokyo Gov Shintaro Ishihara said his city intended to buy the islands from their private Japanese owner.

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Now let's see if the Japan side thought over what to do next? Release them? Throwing them in the dungeon and prosecute them? In the latter case it may become a hot autumn...

[cstaylor]

Simple: drop them off at Takeshima.

[Hammer]

This round of island disputes is starting to look more dangerous, potentially, than the smaller skirmishes have in the past. There's some pretty heavy language being bandied about, both domestically and internationally.

“There is a real possibility that if diplomacy fails, there will be a war,” said Kazuhiko Togo, a former career Japanese diplomat who has written on the island issues.

It's also interesting that the international perception is that:

The current row between Japan and China was started by Tokyo’s governor, Shintaro Ishihara, a longtime and outspoken advocate of conservative issues.

NY Times article: Dispute Over Islands Reflects Japanese Fear of China’s Rise

[Gaspard de Coligny]

The times and a former diplomat...

As irrelevant as that other former diplomut crying doom and gloom on fukushima. When the wording turns to "a source close to the departement of defense report the troups have been put on high alert and base security has been tightened" then we can put our diapers on and get ready to shit ourselves...

For now... Still poseur talks for people who wants their 15 minutes of fame...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

This round of island disputes is starting to look more dangerous, potentially, than the smaller skirmishes have in the past. There's some pretty heavy language being bandied about, both domestically and internationally.

“There is a real possibility that if diplomacy fails, there will be a war,” said Kazuhiko Togo, a former career Japanese diplomat who has written on the island issues.

It's also interesting that the international perception is that:

The current row between Japan and China was started by Tokyo’s governor, Shintaro Ishihara, a longtime and outspoken advocate of conservative issues.

NY Times article: Dispute Over Islands Reflects Japanese Fear of China’s Rise

I'm with Coligny...this is nothing more than another storm in a teacup.
Neither Japan, nor China or either of the Koreas will go to war over the Senkakus or Takeshima.
East Asians are bred like Merkin fundies and indoctrinated to believe similar sorts of shite, which is why Kim Jong Il can have 18 holes-in-one and Merkins can have saddles on dinosaurs and Presidential candidates who wear magic undies (only the man named after a baseball glove wears his jocks on the inside of his trousers instead of outside, which is what most Merkin superheros do).
Merkins can garner tremendous public support by going around the world slaughtering camel jockeys and other assorted darkies who believe different fairy tales and won't give them oil without a decent deal. East Asians can't play the military card quite so easily as the world's self-appointed policeman, but the mentality is the same, particularly in regard to the disputed islands -- they've taken something that's ours and we'll fight to get it back. Stirs up the punters, everybody rallies behind the shit-stirrer and unleashes their frustrations, international tensions rise and eventually the cuntries involved have the equivalent of a post-spat marital quickie and everything's back to normal until someone stirs the shit again to take attention away from domestic issues.

[Hammer]

The times and a former diplomat...

As irrelevant as that other former diplomut crying doom and gloom on fukushima. When the wording turns to "a source close to the departement of defense report the troups have been put on high alert and base security has been tightened" then we can put our diapers on and get ready to shit ourselves...

For now... Still poseur talks for people who wants their 15 minutes of fame...

Be careful with that wishful thinking. Take a good look at history. And look at the approaches taken by both countries (plus the US), not just Japan.

Right now the media are awash with talk of the possibility of war. This morning the news and wide shows are full of it. For now it is just saber-rattling, but the reality is that there is at least the possibility of a localized armed skirmish, which could spread to become something far worse. The fact that people are talking about it so widely and openly is plenty of cause for alarm.

[IparryU]

The times and a former diplomat...

As irrelevant as that other former diplomut crying doom and gloom on fukushima. When the wording turns to "a source close to the departement of defense report the troups have been put on high alert and base security has been tightened" then we can put our diapers on and get ready to shit ourselves...

For now... Still poseur talks for people who wants their 15 minutes of fame...

Be careful with that wishful thinking. Take a good look at history. And look at the approaches taken by both countries (plus the US), not just Japan.

Right now the media are awash with talk of the possibility of war. This morning the news and wide shows are full of it. For now it is just saber-rattling, but the reality is that there is at least the possibility of a localized armed skirmish, which could spread to become something far worse. The fact that people are talking about it so widely and openly is plenty of cause for alarm.

Oh the Japanese will get powned if guns get fired... we gotta keep in mind that the Chinese are dumping time and resources into their military and Japan is just... at boyscout level.

Not trying to knock on japan... but this will drag other countries into it (US being the first) and it will be the beginning of some really bad shit.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Won't happen....there will be no fighting (at least not beyond a skirmish where the opposing sides push each other around as they bulge their eyes and roll their Rs <or is it Ls?>).


....If there is, Japan will not be the pissweak force IPU suspects. It still has a more powerful navy than China and that's before the U.S. even needs to get involved.