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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby chokonen888 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:27 pm

Taro wrote:Disclaimers:
--Lived in Canada, my father was Canadian
--My nephews went to Columbine High School and we knew the shooters' families (nice folks).
--As a summer camp counselor, I became a NRA Certified Riflery Instructor, so techinally I can be called a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association.
--While I don't personally own any gun, I can walk out to track room of my family ranch in the States and grab anything I want from a little .22 Ruger hitman pistol to fucking .300 Winchester Model 70 elephant gun (actually for elk). I have never thought of any need of carrying a heavy ass gun around, even when hanging out with car customizers (Midnight Auto Suppy) in Aurora.


Can you explain why Canada has a unicorn it it's coat of arms :lol:

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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:33 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Taro wrote:Disclaimers:
--Lived in Canada, my father was Canadian
--My nephews went to Columbine High School and we knew the shooters' families (nice folks).
--As a summer camp counselor, I became a NRA Certified Riflery Instructor, so techinally I can be called a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association.
--While I don't personally own any gun, I can walk out to track room of my family ranch in the States and grab anything I want from a little .22 Ruger hitman pistol to fucking .300 Winchester Model 70 elephant gun (actually for elk). I have never thought of any need of carrying a heavy ass gun around, even when hanging out with car customizers (Midnight Auto Suppy) in Aurora.


Can you explain why Canada has a unicorn it it's coat of arms :lol:

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It was a British colony and comes from the British coat of arms...
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby cstaylor » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:25 pm

chokonen888 wrote:Can you explain why Canada has a unicorn it it's coat of arms :lol:

You'd think they'd find a way to work "1814!!!!" on there somewhere... :wink:
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Level3 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:30 pm

Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Hammer wrote:From the point of view of an Aussie who lived in the US.

Living in gun-crazy America, it's right to bear arms


This guy sounds like he's full of shit.


Not much of a stretch.

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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Level3 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:46 pm

The problem isn't guns, it's stupid people, psychos and criminal scum with guns. But since there are already 250,000,000 guns or so in America, the cat is out of the bag.
Make all guns illegal, and you just end up with those 250,000,000 guns only in the hands of criminals. Not exactly a brilliant plan.
Or maybe you'll have the government busting into homes to confiscate all the 250,000,000 guns?

Uh...yeah, that'll go well.

Nobody here mentions Switzerland. I wonder why.
Tons of guns (basically 1 sub-machine gun in every home?), but probably even more Safety country than Japan.
Maybe guns should only be in the hands of diligent, efficient people who enjoy skiing, fine cheeses and chocolate? :P

And the other thing that gets deliberately ignored.. armed citizens stopping these crazed mass killers with their own weapons and saving potentially dozens of lives. Mass murderers on shooting sprees LOVE to choose places where they know nobody will be armed (ironically that includes the jihadi Islamic Army major.. he knew the rules prohibit anyone from carrying weapons on the base except the MPs... if no MPs are nearby, and if the Army psychologists have decided to ignore your repeated Islamo-fascist rantings in front of superiors because it would be discrimination to take any notice, that means a shooting gallery of unarmed US soldiers and families)

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/conc ... -1.1121161

Concealed weapons save lives
The evidence is clear: Massacres are stopped by legally armed citizens

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/conc ... z21npEUPHV

Friday’s horrible shooting in Colorado occurred in yet another place where guns are banned. And that’s consistent with a trend: With a single exception, every multiple-victim public shooting in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry their own firearms.

The Cinemark movie theater in Aurora, like others run by the chain around the country, displayed warning signs that it was illegal to carry guns into the theater.

This applied to all nonlaw enforcement personnel, including individuals with concealed handgun permits. In other words, despite more than 4% of the adult population of Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a gunman intent on killing a lot of people could be confident that law-abiding citizens there would be sitting ducks.

If one of the hundreds of people at the theater had a concealed handgun, possibly the attack would have ended like the shooting at the mega New Life Church in Colorado Springs in December 2007.
In that assault, the church’s minister had given Jeanne Assam permission to carry her concealed handgun. The gunman killed two people in the parking lot — but when he entered the church, Assam fired 10 shots, severely wounding him. At that point, the gunman committed suicide.

Similar stories are available from across the country. They include shootings at schools that were stopped before police arrived in such places as Pearl, Miss., and Edinboro, Pa., and at colleges like the Appalachian Law School in Virginia. Or attacks in busy downtowns such as Memphis; at a mall in Salt Lake City, or at an apartment building in Oklahoma.

The ban against nonpolice carrying guns usually rests on the false notion that almost anyone can suddenly go crazy and start misusing their weapon or that any crossfire with a killer would be worse than the crime itself. But in state after state, permit holders are extremely law-abiding. They can lose their permits for any type of firearms-related violation.

Nor have I found a single example on record of a multiple-victim public shooting in which a permit holder accidentally shot a bystander.

And I haven’t even touched upon the pure deterrent effect of a potential mass murderer having to worry that one of his targets might be armed.

The police response in Aurora could hardly have been quicker, with police arriving within a couple of minutes of the first 911 call. And it’s true that the gunman, wearing protective body armor, would have been tough for a civilian to stop.

But the first 911 call was not made until nine minutes after the shooting had started. Even a few minutes can be an eternity for those helplessly cowering unprotected before an armed killer.

In the wake of this crime, gun control advocates have wasted no time offering up more gun control regulations as the way to prevent future tragedies. But aggressive gun control hasn’t prevented multiple-victim public shootings in Europe.

In last year’s shooting near Oslo, 69 people were killed and an additional 110 injured. Germany, a country with some of the strictest gun control in the world — it requires not only extensive psychological screening but also a year’s wait to get a gun — has been the site of three of the worst five multiple-victim K-12 public school shootings in the world, all in the past decade. There are more examples of attacks in countries with strict gun control, like in Austria, Britain, France, Finland and Italy.

The guns used for the attacks in Germany and Norway were obtained illegally. When individuals plan these attacks months or even years in advance, it is virtually impossible to stop them from getting whatever weapons they need.

In the Colorado attack, the killer apparently spent at least four months preparing for the massacre, and had he not been able to purchase the weapons legally, no doubt he would have obtained them illegally. In any case, his 30 homemade grenades might well have caused even more carnage if he had used them in the attack.

Some suggest having metal detectors and searches for everyone entering sporting events, cinemas, public transportation and other public facilities. Beyond the incredible cost, it just wouldn’t work.

There are simply too many possible ways to get into different buildings, as the killer at the Batman movie showed by bringing his weapons through the locked emergency door at the back of the theater.

To reduce future carnage, the key is to get someone with a gun quickly at the scene. Quick responses not only limit the number of casualties, but reduce the attention these killers garner from committing their crimes. We can’t get rid of gun-free zones soon enough.

Lott is a former chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. He is also the author of the expanded third edition of “More Guns, Less Crime.”

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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Gaspard de Coligny » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:20 pm

From the -opinion- section of NY daily, by John Blownobody whose other article is on why the "stand your ground" law make sense...

I suppose the guy got the padded cell next to you at the asylum...
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Hanzo the Razor » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 am

Gaspard de Coligny wrote:From the -opinion- section of NY daily, by John Blownobody whose other article is on why the "stand your ground" law make sense...

I suppose the guy got the padded cell next to you at the asylum...


John Lott

John Richard Lott Jr. (born May 8, 1958) is an American academic and political commentator. He has previously held research positions at academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the non-academic conservative American Enterprise Institute. He holds a Ph.D. in economics from UCLA, and his areas of research include econometrics, law and economics, public choice theory, industrial organization, public finance, microeconomics, labor economics, and environmental regulation.

Lott is an author in both academia and in popular culture. A political conservative,[1][2][3][4] he is a frequent writer of opinion editorials, has published over 90 articles in peer-reviewed academic journals related to his research areas, and has authored five books, including More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns, and Freedomnomics.

Outside of academia, Lott is best known for his participation in the gun rights debate, particularly his arguments against restrictions on owning and carrying guns.
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Hugh Jørgen » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:21 am

Jason Alexander, the actor famous for playing George on “Seinfeld,” posted a long argument for a ban on assault-style weapons on Twitter Sunday:
I’d like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with yesterday’s victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

This morning, I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst...
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Hanzo the Razor » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:43 am

Hugh Jørgen wrote:Jason Alexander, the actor famous for playing George on “Seinfeld,” posted a long argument for a ban on assault-style weapons on Twitter Sunday:
I’d like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with yesterday’s victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

This morning, I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst...


I've never understood how or why the the "well regulated militia" mentioned in the US constitution came to mean everyone and their mother having the right to buy assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols. Regardless of how one feels about gun ownership that interpretation just doesn't make sense.
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby BigInJapan » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:21 pm

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chokonen888 wrote:Can you explain why Canada has a unicorn it it's coat of arms :lol:
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It was a British colony and comes from the British coat of arms...

What SDH said.
And, according to Wiki (as I had no clue, and I do not recall learning much about it in school):
- Supporting the shield on either side are the English lion and Scottish unicorn.
- The lion represents ferocity and the unicorn represents lust.
- The broken chain on the unicorn symbolizes the unicorn's resistance to oppression.
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby IparryU » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:06 am

Level3 wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Hammer wrote:From the point of view of an Aussie who lived in the US.

Living in gun-crazy America, it's right to bear arms


This guy sounds like he's full of shit.


Not much of a stretch.

Things I learned in Japan:
Always assume any remotely interesting story told by an Aussie is complete bullshit.

:this: :+1:

but back on topic... the reason why i always carry a knife in the US is because other people have weapons. ever since 5th grade I went everywhere with a knife... cause you always have to worry about one stupid fuck that is in a bad mood or wants to cause some trouble. but in cases like CO. there isn't much you can do but hope that you have something nearby that you can throw and luckily hit them in the head.

like weed... they should either strictly ban guns, or just allow it and heavily tax and monitor it. not much can be done other than that.
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China! China! Solving Spree Stabbings...

Postby Russell » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:26 pm

Chinese teenager kills eight in knife attack

A teenager has been arrested after killing eight people and wounding five others in a knife attack in northeast China, state media reported Thursday.

The 17-year-old, which was identified only by his surname Li, barged into the home of his girlfriend armed with a knife following an argument and killed two relatives of the girl, the Legal Daily said.

As he left his girlfriend’s home in Liaoning province’s Xinbin county, he stabbed six more people to death and wounded five, it said.

He was arrested at the scene of the attack, late on Wednesday night, and was taken into custody, the official Xinhua news agency reported.

No other details were immediately available. Calls made to local authorities and police in Xinbin county went unanswered.

Violent crime has been on the rise in China in recent decades as the nation’s economy has boomed and the gap between rich and poor has expanded at an alarming rate.

Experts say the increase in assaults shows that China is paying the price for focusing on more than 30 years of economic growth while ignoring problems linked to rapid social change.

Studies have described a rise in the prevalence of mental disorders in China, some of them linked to stress as the pace of life becomes faster and socialist support systems wither.

However, authorities stress that murder, which carries the death penalty, remains far less common than in most Western countries.


Same number of deaths, but far less wounded.
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Re: China! China! Solving Spree Stabbings...

Postby chokonen888 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:19 pm

However, authorities stress that murder, which carries the death penalty, remains far less common than in most Western countries.


Is every country in Asia brainwashed by movies to believe their countries are less violent than "Western countries?"
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Gaspard de Coligny » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:18 pm

Hanzo the Razor wrote:
John Lott


Thanks for the link...

But instead of your quote I think the focus should go to his work:

Because he effectively really belong to a padded cell... or a Klan meeting...

In short:
"when women have voting right, gov spending increase"
"affirmative action in police recruitment increase criminality"
"right to abortion laws increase murder rate"

And sock puppetting on internet through "Mary Rosh"

Ok, as usual, I will be akewsed of quoting out of context or misspresenting facts... So instead go ahead and check by yourself... the original wikipedia stuff is even crunchier...
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Hanzo the Razor » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:24 pm

Gaspard de Coligny wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
John Lott


Thanks for the link...

But instead of your quote I think the focus should go to his work:

Because he effectively really belong to a padded cell... or a Klan meeting...

In short:
"when women have voting right, gov spending increase"
"affirmative action in police recruitment increase criminality"
"right to abortion laws increase murder rate"

And sock puppetting on internet through "Mary Rosh"

Ok, as usual, I will be akewsed of quoting out of context or misspresenting facts... So instead go ahead and check by yourself... the original wikipedia stuff is even crunchier...


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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Gaspard de Coligny » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:49 pm

Hanzo the Razor wrote:I wasn't supporting him I was just letting you know who he is.


Whut made you assume I was assuming you wuz supporting him ?
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Re: USA! USA! Solving Spree Shootings...

Postby Hanzo the Razor » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:36 pm

Gaspard de Coligny wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:I wasn't supporting him I was just letting you know who he is.


Whut made you assume I was assuming you wuz supporting him ?


Nothing. Just going on the record as not supporting a bat-shit crazy right winger.
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Postby Hammer » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:18 am

Eleven People Shot Outside Empire State Building

Guns don't kill people, people with guns do ... :wall:
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