Windows 8 tablets and smartphones

[BigInJapan]

So, the Microsoft brand Windows 8 "Surface" tablet and smartphone have been officially be announced.



Windows Phone 8 looks good, but can it uproot those entrenched in other ecosystems? English article on Engadget.
マイクロソフト Windows Phone 8発表。Windows 8とカーネル共有、64コアまで対応 Japanese article on Engadget J.

I'm not a fanboy either way (I've had a few original Palm PDA's, a Zaurus, a WinMo PDA, numerous "feature phones", an iPhone, and an Android), just keeping my options open.
It will be interesting to see what happens this fall as a slew of new WP8 (Windows Phone 8) compatible phones will be released.

I'm a little too bogged down with work right now to pontificate at length on the whole WP8 situation, but I thought I'd just put this thread up here.
(Hammer, I didn't see a specific "Smartphone/keitai" type section so I put it here)

[cstaylor]

Good luck writing software for these... what are we on now, the fifth set of APIs from Microsoft?

And for all of you Windows 7 phone users... tough luck.

[Gaspard de Coligny]

where is the "attempting to give a fuck" smily ?

7 major automakers (including Audi, benz and BMW) have announced official factory integration of Apple's iPhone Siri function to the steerinf wheel control and head units of their cars...

Even android is as good as fucked...

[chokonen888]

Like this win8 for a notebook replacing tablet....for a phone, not so much.

[Les Talk]

Win 8 has a play for the enterprise market, as companies look to once again standardize around a single platform and get away from the chaos that BYOD is causing for IT. For the consumer mobile market, Microsoft will have a long slog, but should make incremental gains. Android remains dominant mobile OS for foreseeable future, while iOS remains profit leader. iOS will not increase its share of market, and will actually lose share, but profits will not suffer (the contrary, in fact).

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Win 8 has a play for the enterprise market, as companies look to once again standardize around a single platform and get away from the chaos that BYOD is causing for IT. For the consumer mobile market, Microsoft will have a long slog, but should make incremental gains. Android remains dominant mobile OS for foreseeable future, while iOS remains profit leader. iOS will not increase its share of market, and will actually lose share, but profits will not suffer (the contrary, in fact).

As subtly delivered as a WWII carpet bombing... and with the same precision...

Back your shit instead of dreaming aloud...

[IparryU]

Win 8 has a play for the enterprise market, as companies look to once again standardize around a single platform and get away from the chaos that BYOD is causing for IT. For the consumer mobile market, Microsoft will have a long slog, but should make incremental gains. Android remains dominant mobile OS for foreseeable future, while iOS remains profit leader. iOS will not increase its share of market, and will actually lose share, but profits will not suffer (the contrary, in fact).

As subtly delivered as a WWII carpet bombing... and with the same precision...

Back your shit instead of dreaming aloud...

I would like to know this too... I wanted to try it out... but then I remembered how long it took for me to even install Win7 cause of the POS it was when I first tried it out...

[Les Talk]

Win 8 has a play for the enterprise market, as companies look to once again standardize around a single platform and get away from the chaos that BYOD is causing for IT. For the consumer mobile market, Microsoft will have a long slog, but should make incremental gains. Android remains dominant mobile OS for foreseeable future, while iOS remains profit leader. iOS will not increase its share of market, and will actually lose share, but profits will not suffer (the contrary, in fact).

As subtly delivered as a WWII carpet bombing... and with the same precision...

Back your shit instead of dreaming aloud...

Which part do you disagree with? The WinPhone has an opportunity as an enterprise play, the bit about Android the dominant mobile OS, or iOS as a profit leader. Jeez, and you say I'm not precise?

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Which part do you disagree with? The WinPhone has an opportunity as an enterprise play, the bit about Android the dominant mobile OS, or iOS as a profit leader. Jeez, and you say I'm not precise?

All, all of it is pompously unsubstanciated rantings. Like the self righteous insane guy standing on a box shouting aboot the end of the world and how you should repent for whatever sin you did at the corner of the street...

Windows 8, wait and see, but hope not, enterprise are still clinging to XP like the holy grail. For mobile os since win 6 for phones it has been fiasco after fiasco.

Android, dominant mobile OS... nope... it's like saying ants are the dominant species because there are more of them...

you want tissues or you'r not done yet wanking to the sound of your own voice ?

[Les Talk]

Get up on the wrong side of the bed, Gaspy? Can't say I'm sorry you didn't like the summary - but pompous rantings? You're holding up the ranting side of this discussion.

Whatever your feelings about Windows, and I suspect we'd agree that nobody is passionately in favor of it, it's clear that Microsoft is counting on enterprise buyers to drive sales of Apollo. Sorry I can't "substantiate" a future event, but my Delorean is in the shop right now, so I can't go forward in time to check on it at the moment. Let's revisit this in six months or a year.

Android is the dominant mobile OS, by unit sales, by a large margin. Android activations per day are over 900,000; iPhone activations are a fraction of that. The "ants" are clearly the choice of most buyers. What measure would you prefer instead? Profitability? In that case, iPhone wins hands down.

Anyway, I stand by my statements. So far you've said nothing that refutes them. If you have some reasonable factual analysis that refutes anything I've written, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, this is pretty much like getting in a flame war with a teenage girl (great clip from the Simpsons if you want to look it up), so I'll hang up the discussion until you have something substantive to say.

[GomiGirl]

When you are talking dominant OS- are you talking on the hardware sales or software opportunities for developers. There is a huge difference.

People are moving to Android for a few reasons - pricing of handsets, discontinuation of feature phones, full browser. They are not moving onto the platform for apps and personal productivity reasons. They are mainly using the devices as *wait for it* a phone and a web surfing platform. The demographic of an iOS user is totally different.

App sales on Android for the same title is about a tenth of iOS sales. Really not a good prospect for developers. So Coligny's analogy to ants does ring true somewhat.

Windows - dude - fanboi or not, you are passionate about the platform that is for sure. But for those of us who have seen and lived through all of the previous Windows mobile fiascos will just wait and see. In hindsight, Windows CE wasn't so bad afterall. I can't speak for corporates and enterprise as I clearly live on the consumer side of the street. But seeing the number of bulk purchase iPads already going into companies and the headstart in both the education and enterprise sectors, Windows will have their work cut out for them - even if they can link into existing IT departments out of the box.

We were playing with one of these devices in the office today. Really not intuitive with swiping to get to the menu etc. Heavy brick of a tablet for sure. Nice video rendering though.

[Gaspard de Coligny]

so I'll hang up the discussion until you have something substantive to say.

Asking substance while you provide nothing more than attitude and hot air is a bit bold...

[IparryU]

so I'll hang up the discussion until you have something substantive to say.

Asking substance while you provide nothing more than attitude and hot air is a bit bold...

how aboot a rant why Windoze sucks?

[Gaspard de Coligny]

how aboot a rant why Windoze sucks?

no need... just use it...

It would be so nice to have a barebones edition to run sims and games...

[IparryU]

how aboot a rant why Windoze sucks?

no need... just use it...

It would be so nice to have a barebones edition to run sims and games...

just slipstream it. not sure how raw you want it to be... but it worked for me and I am starting to hate this OS even more.

only issue i have now is dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04 on a RAID0 as Ubuntu wont install the bootloader properly. if it worked, i would be happy as all hell, but I had to install 10.04 then distro upgrade it to get everything working...

/rant

[Gaspard de Coligny]

I did slipstreams with XP that even had unofficial crap free gaming edition... not bothered with 7 though...

But slipstream, you ~~~try~~~ to remove crap... until it breaks

barebones, you take the kernel and add only what is strictly needed, until it works... not the same philosophy...