Stanford Scientists Predict Cancer Cases

[IparryU]

“There was a lot of luck involved,” said Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Stanford, in a telephone interview. “The effects vary significantly with the meteorological conditions and the only reason this wasn’t a lot worse was because 81 percent of all the emissions were deposited over the ocean.”

This the only reason other countries haven't stepped in to prevent the next yellow monkey meltdown?

The only reason other countries haven't stepped in to prevent the next yellow monkey meltdown cause all of the Yellow Lemur Beaver Feaver ppl are in this cuntry.

[Gaspard de Coligny]

BTW, it's generally only you that seems to assume I've said things I haven't and who regularly gets unnecessarily combative when you disagree with me (or anyone else) on here.

I soo hates it when sumeone is wrong on the interwebs...

[Hugh Jørgen]

From The Times of India:

...This study contradicts earlier announcements by several international agencies that there would not be any death or cancer cases. A month after the disaster, the head of the United Nations Science Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation predicted that there would be no serious public health consequences resulting from the radiation.

The Stanford scientists said that these numbers are in addition to the roughly 600 deaths caused by the evacuation of the area surrounding the nuclear plant directly after the March 2011 earthquake, tsunami and meltdown.

Of the nearly 600 deaths reported as a result of the evacuation process itself, most were due to fatigue and exposure among the elderly and chronically ill. According to the model used by the Stanford scientists, the evacuation prevented at most 245 radiation-related deaths. In other words, the evacuation process may have cost more lives than it saved.

The Fukushima Daiichi meltdown was the most extensive nuclear disaster since Chernobyl. Radiation release critically contaminated a "dead zone" of several hundred square kilometers around the plant, and low levels of radioactive material were found as far as North America and Europe.

But most of the radioactivity was dumped in the Pacific -- only 19 percent of the released material was deposited over land -- keeping the exposed population relatively small.

Those affected according to the model were overwhelmingly in Japan, with extremely small effects noticeable in mainland Asia and North America.

To show how weather and geography affects radiation hazards, the researchers also analyzed a hypothetical scenario: an identical meltdown at the Diablo Canyon Power Plant, near San Luis Obispo, California.

Despite California's population density being about one-fourth that of Japan's, the researchers found the magnitude of the projected health effects to be about 25 percent larger. This was because rather than being swept away toward the ocean, as with Fukushima, a larger percentage of the Diablo Canyon radioactivity would get deposited over land, including big cities like San Diego and Los Angeles.

Stanford civil engineering Professor Mark Z. Jacobson who led the study stressed, however, that none of the calculations expressed the full scope of a nuclear disaster.

"There's a lot more to the issue than what we examined, which were the cancer-related health effects," he said. "Fukushima was just such a large disaster in terms of soil and water contamination, displacement of lives, confidence in government oversight, cost and anguish."

[Hanzo the Razor]

BTW, it's generally only you that seems to assume I've said things I haven't and who regularly gets unnecessarily combative when you disagree with me (or anyone else) on here.

I soo hates it when sumeone is wrong on the interwebs...

Then stop posting your bullshit.

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Then stop posting your bullshit.

You go furst, then i'll follow... Deal ?

[Hugh Jørgen]

You gotta get sweaty with Han-chan if you gonna coax him into a truce...

See here: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-m ... y-marriage

Time to get ancient Greek gay - IPU will bring the cameraz

[VKay]

It's highly likely this study is a pile of crap. Mark Jacobson is an anti-nuclear/pro-renewables campaigner who's fudged the numbers against nuclear power before. (He's claimed we can't use nuclear power because every thirty years we'll have a nuclear war and that will cause a lot of CO2 ). Consider this: He's a civil engineer and his co-author is a recent PhD climate modeller - and they're writing about cancer. They're not the people one goes to for this kind of information. Further: he's got this study published not in a cancer or radiology journal (where they have peer-reviewers competent to judge the quality), but in a fairly obscure engineering journal. All in all, this is the kind of "look I'm an expert" trick that global warming deniers get up to. It's depressing people like him don't see the problem with this.

If something like this were published in The Lancet, or the European Journal of Cancer, I'd take notice. We're better or sticking with the experts, who predict close to zero radiation-related deaths.

[Hugh Jørgen]

If something like this were published in The Lancet, or the European Journal of Cancer, I'd take notice. We're better or sticking with the experts, who predict close to zero radiation-related deaths.

Or, maybe not...

"It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

Dr. Marcia Angell

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It's highly likely this study is a pile of crap. Mark Jacobson is an anti-nuclear/pro-renewables campaigner who's fudged the numbers against nuclear power before. (He's claimed we can't use nuclear power because every thirty years we'll have a nuclear war and that will cause a lot of CO2 ). Consider this: He's a civil engineer and his co-author is a recent PhD climate modeller - and they're writing about cancer. They're not the people one goes to for this kind of information. Further: he's got this study published not in a cancer or radiology journal (where they have peer-reviewers competent to judge the quality), but in a fairly obscure engineering journal. All in all, this is the kind of "look I'm an expert" trick that global warming deniers get up to. It's depressing people like him don't see the problem with this.

If something like this were published in The Lancet, or the European Journal of Cancer, I'd take notice. We're better or sticking with the experts, who predict close to zero radiation-related deaths.

This post was proudly brought to you by the Tokyo Electric Power Co.: Promoting Prosperity in Greater East Asia and Glowth in Fuckushima

[Gaspard de Coligny]

who predict close to zero radiation-related deaths.

I'm glad we have such experts... and a new expert on experts...

Sock puppet anyone ?

[Hugh Jørgen]

Trying to Tally Fukushima

On the slippery question of “How bad was Fukushima,” two Stanford University researchers have published a paper that casts the accident in a new light. It still seems hazy, though...

NYT Blog post on the cancer deaths forecast

[Hammer]

Trying to Tally Fukushima

On the slippery question of “How bad was Fukushima,” two Stanford University researchers have published a paper that casts the accident in a new light. It still seems hazy, though...

NYT Blog post on the cancer deaths forecast

So, basically, nobody actually has a clue.
Lots of talk and not much sayin'.

Think I'll have another salad.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Think I'll have another salad.

It's got cesium in it, you know?

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Think I'll have another salad.

It's got cesium in it, you know?

Not if you toss it properly...

nananananana batm... oups... creosotmaaaaaaannn... nananananana...

[Level3]

If an anti-nuke guy can only come up with 200 extra deaths in the whole world, maybe you in the tinfoil hat community need to adjust your antennae.

Besides the math is probably the same as the silly method of pretending that there is no "minimum" level of exposure where nothing bad happens, because your body can handle it.
You can use (abuse) this technique to "prove" that a little booze will kill you (like, instantly, not the long-term Kennedy way).
Imagine a party of 100 people where everyone drinks 100 shots of vodka each, and all of them die.
According to the logic, if you have a (lame) party where 100 people only get 1 shot each... 1 person will still die. Because you pretend there is no safe minimum level and death is proportional to dose. (not that I expect you conspiracy nuts to understand complicated 3rd grade math..fractions are hard!!1! herp derp ONLY ZERO is SAFE! I DEMAND FOOD WITH ZERO RADIATION!!11!!

It's silly, but it's also favored by activists who need to spread alarm so they can get more donations. Or governments who enjoy using it as an excuse to regulate everything.
I hope Mayor Blooomberg doesn't hear about K-40, or he might make eating anything other than shaved ice made from distilled water illegal in NYC.
And some of you drones would applaud it.

Since our bodies have 5000 - 10000 Bq at all times, then the worldwide increase (unless you're downwind of Fukushima) of 1Bq per 100 square meters.. means you'll have to eat several tons of dirt and sleep in drainage ditches to boost your body's Bq by 1 %... so I see why one or two of you cochons are worried!

[Gaspard de Coligny]

Yes, we, know, everything is fine, radiation leaks are harmless, only radiation related stress can hurt you and we have always been at war with eurasia.


BTW dood, car analogy time...

a bequerel value is like engine power output
a sievert value is like the current speed

So your statement "Since our bodies have 5000 - 10000 Bq at all times,"... linked with the fact that yoomans are not naturally radioactive... makes not much sense... maybe you wuz talking aboot background radiation... that should have been in sievert...

You might want to read a bit of this when you stop foaming at zee mouth with self righteous rage...
http://www.uottawa.ca/services/ehss/ionizconversion.htm

[IparryU]

You gotta get sweaty with Han-chan if you gonna coax him into a truce...

See here: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-m ... y-marriage

Time to get ancient Greek gay - IPU will bring the cameraz

not something i really want to see...

[Hanzo the Razor]

Now this is the kind of thing that scares me if true:

A few days ago we reported that 36 percent of Fukushima children have abnormal thyroid growths likely from radiation exposure, based on the "Fukushima Prefecture Health Management Survey."

We got in touch with Australian pediatrician Dr. Helen Caldicott, who has spoken about the growths, to ask her about the implications of the study.

After confirming the validity of the report, Caldicott reinforced the alarming nature of the findings:

1. "It is extremely rare to find cysts and thyroid nodules in children."

2. "This is an extremely large number of abnormalities to find in children."

3. "You would not expect abnormalities to appear so early — within the first year or so — therefore one can assume that they must have received a high dose of [radiation]."

4. "It is impossible to know, from what [officials in Japan] are saying, what these lesions are."

Doctors worry about these abnormal growths because even though thyroid nodules are relatively common, they are not as common in children and some of them could become cancerous.

When asked why these results haven't been widely reported, Calidcott noted that Japanese officials are not sharing ultrasound results with foremost experts of thyroid nodules in children and accused the media of "practicing psychic numbing," saying that she doesn't understand why media outlets are choosing to ignore the nuclear fallout.

Caldicott explained that the high rate of abnormal growths in Fukushima children is very unusual — it usually takes five to 70 years to see what the medical implications of radiation are — and insisted that the international medical community become involved.

"The data should be made available. And they should be consulting with international experts ASAP. And the lesions on the ultrasounds should all be biopsied and they're not being biopsied. And if they're not being biopsied then that's ultimate medical irresponsibility. Because if some of these children have cancer and they're not treated they're going to die."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushim ... z21B7B9pUz

[VKay]

Wow. I get accused (in mildly racist terms) by one person of being a shill, another one calls me a sockpuppet simply for having an opinion he disagrees with, and a third posts something about drug companies interfering in pharmaceutical clinical trials to demonstrate that all of science is wrong. And now someone is wondering if Helen Caldicott might be right. Great forum. Level3 - interesting company you keep! I just turned up wondering what happened to Fuckedgaijin, which I lurked on during the CJ affair.

Anyway, the thing is, like everyone else, I don't like TEPCO, but that doesn't make me hope more people die because of their actions. So what is it with some of you? Is it a fetish? Have you been laying bets?

[Gaspard de Coligny]

not something i really want to see...

Pr0n cramreraman is like war correspondant d00d...

You might not like what's hapenning in front of you, but your d00ty is to show it to the world for a better tomorrow...

Now get back in your NBC diving suit we have to finish taping SheiSS-Tsunami XVII before somebody notice we stole all that manure...